Exploring the Depths of Social Media and Its Impact
This podcast episode prominently features a discussion regarding the evolving dynamics within the realms of social media, specifically focusing on the impending implications of potential governmental interventions in platforms such as TikTok. The speakers contemplate the ramifications of a United States investment in TikTok, postulating that such an action could transform the platform into a state-influenced outlet, thereby altering its operational integrity and user experience. Furthermore, the conversation delves into the significance of emerging alternatives like the Neptune app, emphasizing its unique proposition of user-driven content curation, which starkly contrasts with algorithmic-driven models prevalent in existing social media frameworks. The dialogue also traverses personal narratives, including the experiences of the hosts with their respective career trajectories and aspirations, thereby humanizing the overarching technological discourse. Ultimately, this episode serves as a critical examination of the intersection between technology, governance, and individual agency in the digital age.
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Speaker A:Welcome Nothingers, to another episode of the All About Nothing podcast.
Speaker A:This is episode number 243.
Speaker A:I am Barrett Gruber.
Speaker A:I am joined by Mr.
Speaker A:Bill Frey, who of course you all know Bill because he was our intern last summer and now he's jobless and needs something to do on a regular enough base.
Speaker A:Do you want to defend yourself, Bill?
Speaker A:No, no, I'm jobless.
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker B:I mean, well, not quite jobless.
Speaker B:Doordash helps.
Speaker B:Helps a good bit.
Speaker A:Doordash is a thing.
Speaker A:No how.
Speaker A:Well, we'll get into a little bit of that.
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Speaker A:So Bill Fry, what have you been up to?
Speaker A:Oh man, you graduated.
Speaker A:Congratulations.
Speaker B:I graduated in December.
Speaker B:Uh, yeah.
Speaker B:And since then I've kind Of.
Speaker B:I've kind of been taking it easy.
Speaker B:I've been.
Speaker B:I've been.
Speaker B:Like I said, I've been doing a lot of doordash.
Speaker B:Applying for jobs.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm working on a couple of things I can't talk about yet.
Speaker B:Maybe I'll tell you off camera later.
Speaker A:Uh, okay.
Speaker B:So secret.
Speaker A:Look, there's.
Speaker A:There is.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's quite literally nothing to be embarrassed about.
Speaker A:About a.
Speaker A:Having a, you know, a robust porn career.
Speaker A:There's nothing embarrassing about it.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Most of the state, you can get away with it as long as it's a New Jersey address.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Two months.
Speaker B:Two months out of college.
Speaker B:It really, really did get to me.
Speaker A:But I was gonna say this is the time to start.
Speaker A:Do it now.
Speaker A:Some of us are too old for that sort of thing.
Speaker A:No, you.
Speaker A:So, yeah, graduate of the School of Journalism from the University of South Carolina.
Speaker A:You did that back in December, and that's exciting.
Speaker A:You're a.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're a step ahead of me because.
Speaker B:I went through before.
Speaker B:Before I was graduated, I was working on Carolina News, which was the craziest thing.
Speaker B:I mean, we put probably 50, 60 hours into that.
Speaker B:I wasn't even.
Speaker B:Like, we were not paid.
Speaker B:All the.
Speaker B:Everything we did, like, all the gas, all the things we did, every bit of it.
Speaker B:Travel, I mean, nine to five and then even later, and then planning over the weekend for the next thing.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:That was also a wild program to be a part of.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Political Bill sc, who is my partner on the kind of Daily show, has made a comment.
Speaker A:Apparently he thinks that I am going to supply the music for your career, maybe.
Speaker B:Possible.
Speaker A:So one of the things that I'm thankful to have Bill here is because coming up at the end of March, as most of our regular listeners know, Zach is going to be on paternity leave because he and his wife are having twins.
Speaker A:And his attention is going to be focused elsewhere and elsewhere.
Speaker A:And in order to not go back to the episodes of this podcast where it was basically me just doing a running monologue for 20, 30, 40 minutes, we have.
Speaker A:We have been in the process of trying to find people that we could utilize as the.
Speaker A:The, the co host of this program, because ultimately, yeah, it's still unpaid, Bill.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so essentially, because Zach's gonna be out, we're gonna have.
Speaker A:We're gonna have some people stand in right now.
Speaker A:The preference is that Bill do it because he is used to what goes on with this podcast and how little he probably gets to talk because I talk too much.
Speaker A:But so essentially, Bill Fry is going to stand in as much as he can, hopefully all of it.
Speaker A:But it's, it's going to be, it's going to be a good time.
Speaker A:I'm glad Bill's going to be back.
Speaker A:It makes it easier on me, too, because it's, it's easier on me if everyone has the same name.
Speaker A:So between you and Bill Kimler and then Bill Fry, I can, I can, ultimately, it makes it easier on me because I can just start to call everybody Bill and, and get away with it.
Speaker A:So if you are on YouTube and you have any comments to make, please make them.
Speaker A:We'll throw up on the screen.
Speaker A:Bill Kimler wants to know what celebrity impressions can you do?
Speaker B:Celebrity impressions?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:That's putting me on the spot immediately.
Speaker A:How's your, how's your Matthew McConaughey?
Speaker B:I don't have a Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker B:Do you have a Matthew McConaughey?
Speaker A:No, not, he's not here currently.
Speaker A:But if he were, he, if he were here, he'd say, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker A:Anyway, all right, all right.
Speaker A:And I promise I will never do that again.
Speaker A:So, so, yeah.
Speaker A:So you graduated from University of South Carolina.
Speaker A:You now have a journalism degree, which you know, ultimately broadcast journal.
Speaker A:Ultimately.
Speaker A:What I meant to tell you before you started the whole process was become a doctor or do anything, potentially.
Speaker A:Something.
Speaker A:Yeah, anything other than podcast journalism.
Speaker A:Because you're gonna, you're gonna find a lot of disappointment.
Speaker A:It happens.
Speaker A:I, I, I can't tell you the number of the internships that, that I, I, I attempted.
Speaker A:I, I had several successful internships that did turn into actual jobs, that one of them being that I worked for radio Station Atlanta, WKHX FM kicks 101.5, which was a country station.
Speaker A:I worked for it for several years that then moved over into hosting my own morning show on a very small AM radio station between Athens and Atlanta called wimo.
Speaker A:That was, that was, that was a fun, that was a fun time.
Speaker A:I worked for some very, very interesting people that, I'll just say it was a very interesting, it was a good time.
Speaker A:I enjoyed it, but I was also glad when I moved on from there.
Speaker A:But it was a very small, it was a thousand watt radio station that before 5 o'clock in the morning, we would go.
Speaker A:Our transmitter, our antenna would go, we would be directional.
Speaker A:And it just happened that the direction pointed pretty much east, west, or mostly like, or maybe like east northeast and west southwest.
Speaker A:But we were pointed directly towards the UK and I would get emails on the morning show from people listening in Scotland or in, in, in.
Speaker A:In the uk which was, which was kind of interesting because I definitely encourage them.
Speaker A:Don't call, do not, do not make that long distance call.
Speaker A:Of course now you can FaceTime and whatnot.
Speaker A:Which is, which is fine, makes it easier.
Speaker A:But, but yeah.
Speaker A:So you know when we talked last week or was it last week or the week before?
Speaker A:I think it was the week.
Speaker A:Maybe it was the, I think it.
Speaker B:Was a week before maybe, maybe it was the week before the last episode.
Speaker B:Maybe like I'm guessing to 10 days ago, something like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was right before we recorded with Ashley and Chris of the Neptune app, which again, if you haven't listened to that episode yet, go back and listen to it because Ashley and Chris were fantastic and really look forward to seeing what comes out of the Neptune app.
Speaker A:Because as, as Bill and I were discussing before we started recording, we both have a sickness of TikTok currently because I think, and I guess we could start it off with that.
Speaker A:My, my biggest concern about TikTok is I, I don't know what it's going to be.
Speaker A:There's the, you know, the, the looming ban is going to kick back in, in like another 30 days or so.
Speaker A:And so at that point It'll be the 60 day notice.
Speaker A:Now I know Donald Trump said a week or so ago that he could just push, you know, kick the can a little further down the road, but that isn't true.
Speaker A:The ban only allowed for a 75, 75 day ban if they use the 75 day ban.
Speaker A:But under Trump, his decision was only a 60 day ban.
Speaker A:I guess down the road.
Speaker B:Yeah, the ban is literally just a bluff all the way until America owns a large portion of TikTok, which is going to be difficult as I also the fact that any app is being, it's almost like people at like certain apps are safe.
Speaker B:I was talking to my brother in law who's a computer scientist about a lot of this and it's like a lot of the apps even like Blue sky, like I started a Blue sky account recently which was like the former CEO of Twitter started it and then gave it to somebody and they're just like, oh, we're not going to give it up or anything like that.
Speaker B:But as long as there's like a private CEO of anything, I mean they have a price tag.
Speaker B:So I just like TikTok.
Speaker B:Even if America buys this thing, it's like there's going to be something else.
Speaker B:I mean it's going to be constant, which is why like my brother in law is trying to like get people to just use Mastodon because there's no like actual.
Speaker B:I think, I think the term is like, it's federated, so it's like there's no single owner of it.
Speaker B:And it's like a thread that's interesting.
Speaker B:So I've, I've missed some of the stuff on the Neptune interview that you did last week, but I'm curious to see like if they became billionaires, would they, would they sell it?
Speaker B:Would they sell it?
Speaker A:Well, as of, as of right now, it, it sounds like when it comes to investors that they have not, they have not seeked out a lot of in the way of investment.
Speaker A:They basically bootstrapped themselves for this app, meaning that they're paying for, you know, the incidental cost of getting the app to market and that.
Speaker A:So, so there have been, it sounded like there have been some conversations about potentially doing investors and that sort of thing.
Speaker A:But see, with investments there's a, there's a responsibility to those investors that you really have to make.
Speaker A:And sometimes that includes selling your soul.
Speaker A:It includes, you know, giving up portions of the app that you think are important to you that they potentially want like, you know, I don't know, legacy software pieces that would be an addition to it that would potentially be something that would benefit an investor or with venture capitalists, you have them come in and basically purchase a piece of it or, or invest in it so that they own a majority stock in what you've created.
Speaker A:And then the idea is, is that they have to then get give that they could potentially, potentially sell off what it is that they own and now somebody else owns you.
Speaker A:So I think what it sounds like is they're trying to do is for the most part they're trying to avoid all of that just by having their investment in it being their own and maintaining the app as the Neptune app, as their own, as permanent, as permanently as they can.
Speaker A:But you know, I've seen, I've seen some models of it and you know, granted it's, it's going to look a lot like the other social media apps that we have, whether you know, whether it's the infinite scrolling like TikTok does or your own profile page and things like that.
Speaker A:So there are a lot of similarities in what is already out there.
Speaker A:But it's the behind the scenes stuff I think that excites me the most with, with Neptune because popularity won't be something that drives content to your, your view.
Speaker A:It's not going to be, it's not going to be something that is as important on the algorithm as your own personal, you know, choices on things.
Speaker A:The, the things that you want to see if you, you know, when you initially do your setup, if you say, I really like country music, but not like mainstream country music, like, you know, bluegrass country music, so maybe a lot of the content that gets driven to you will be more in, in line with, with that.
Speaker A:So, and that's a terrible example because I cannot imagine anyone ever being out there and going, you know what?
Speaker A:I need more bluegrass.
Speaker A:And I know a lot of people.
Speaker B:Know a lot of people actually.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, it's possible.
Speaker A:So I do have a genuine fear though, that, that if the United States makes some sort of investment into TikTok, like what does TikTok then become?
Speaker A:Because you have to imagine that the Trump way of handling everything is to basically make everything Trump.
Speaker A:Like, right.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, they moderate it because.
Speaker B:It'Ll be interesting to see.
Speaker B:I mean, it's kind of like Twitter.
Speaker B:It would be different from what happened with Twitter and X.
Speaker B:Like it's, it's a very different situation, but I feel like it would just be abandoned also.
Speaker B:Or maybe also they just try to get more private investors investing into it.
Speaker B:So that's not like government media because I, I don't know, it's, it's going to be very strange to see what happens to it.
Speaker A:Well, unlike True social, true social TikTok comes with an immediate 70 something million users and millions of small businesses attached to it.
Speaker A:So like, right off the bat you've got, you have basically just an onslaught of visibility that, you know, just like, just like Facebook and whatnot.
Speaker A:Where True Social, I think has, I want to, I want to say, I think like the statistic I saw on True Social recently was that they have something like 30,000 daily users that actually use the app pretty consistently or that, that 30,000 unique individuals.
Speaker B:It's actually not a lot and I.
Speaker A:Would have found more.
Speaker A:No, it's a, it's terrible.
Speaker A:I like, like there may be, there may be a number, they may have a bunch of users, but, but for the most part it doesn't see a lot of traffic because there's not a whole lot of content on it.
Speaker A:Like nobody's going on True Social to express their artism or to go on and talk about, you know, their feelings as far as.
Speaker A:Unless they are directly related to their love of, you know, certain orange fruit shaped Presidents.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which the interesting thing about.
Speaker B:There is something interesting about Mastodon or about Truth Social is that it's actually an instance of Macedon that they like copy and pasted it.
Speaker B:And then that's also why it was very, it was easy to hack it in the beginning.
Speaker B:Like I think they, someone ripped everything down immediately and put a picture of a pig or something up there.
Speaker B:I can't remember the exact thing, but I remember that happened.
Speaker B:But it was just because it was running off an old update, Macedon, which in that case, if you wanted to start a Republican thread or a far right thread, you can do that if you want because there's.
Speaker B:I think, I think I'm using it correctly.
Speaker B:I'm not sure.
Speaker B:But it's like the federation of.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:You can literally do whatever you want and start your own thing, be the ruler of whatever form you start.
Speaker A:Bill Kimler, the, the host of Black, White and Blue in the south, he is, he has mentioned Mastodon many times.
Speaker A:I still have even pulled it up.
Speaker A:I've never, I've never looked at it.
Speaker A:I got it now.
Speaker A:He, he seems to, he seems to have some loyalty to it.
Speaker A:He can, if he's still watching, he can certainly throw something in there.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think ultimately one of my biggest fears about the United States government having any sort of investment into TikTok is, you know, what does a state run social media platform become?
Speaker A:I mean we kind of see it with true social, but like I said, TikTok has 73 million users that they probably want to.
Speaker B:Yeah, I can't think of anything that is like that.
Speaker B:I mean, red note, which is China's thing.
Speaker B:But that's a completely different, that's a completely different thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd be shocked if there was a, if there was something like that.
Speaker B:But I mean, who knows?
Speaker B:It could, could happen.
Speaker B:Given a month, anything could happen.
Speaker A:There is, there is an all likelihood.
Speaker A:Well, I mean we have state run TV media.
Speaker A:I mean we've got Fox News.
Speaker A:Well, okay.
Speaker B:You were going with it.
Speaker B:I mean it's, it's true though, that's state run.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, government has a hand in it.
Speaker B:And that's a big question for journalists is should we be okay with there being a state funded media at all?
Speaker A:Well, let me ask you about that because I know that's one of the things that that Trump's administration is trying to do is they want to bring an end to National Public Radio, public television.
Speaker A:They want to end that because their feeling on it is that NPR and state run or, you know, national public Television, public radio, those sorts of things are those channels that they are left leaning.
Speaker A:And I've never worked for like SC TV here in South Carolina.
Speaker A:I've never worked for npr.
Speaker A:I've never, you know, I've never, I've, I've, I've listened to NPR plenty and I've, I've, I've always recognized in my opinion that those, those media sources, in my opinion have always been pretty much just reporting facts or reporting the news.
Speaker A:I didn't feel like there was a huge slant.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, you do have Terry Gross who does a program or used to do a program, she may still do a program.
Speaker A:But I always, I always felt like, you know, they were just reporting what this, you know, directly from the source.
Speaker A:They weren't, they weren't putting a left or right slant on things.
Speaker A:But even talking to people like my father in law, who ultimately believes that NPR is just socialist radio, which is a weird thing to say, Wild for sure, because it's, well, but by definition it is socialist radio because it's literally radio that's being paid for by grants from the federal government as well as donations from, from viewers like you and me, you know, so, yeah, I understand that, but again, it didn't, it to me it never really gave a slant on, on what it was that was discussed.
Speaker A:Like if, if they reported news that made, you know, George W.
Speaker A:Bush sound like a warhawk, then it's probably because George W.
Speaker A:Bush was a bit of a warhawk.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't, don't know.
Speaker B:So I, I kind of have had a lot of grave feelings on a lot of stuff when it comes to like government run media because I'm not against it at all.
Speaker B:Also, if the government run media wants to hire me, I don't want to, but because I would, I would 100% work for the government.
Speaker B:But at the same time it is like how, how controlled is it?
Speaker B:Because that's, especially with bias.
Speaker B:I mean bias is in everything and it's hard for any media to not have some bias.
Speaker B:Personally, I think it's fine for the time being.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm gonna normally listen and read stuff from like AP or CNN just because I like, I like a more centered thing.
Speaker B:That's also why I like ground news.
Speaker B:Ground news is like just a really nice way to see how things lean.
Speaker B:But for the most part, like I, I'm not against it, but I would, I would be interesting to hear what some of my professors who have doctorates in broadcast journalism would like, would say about it.
Speaker A:I mean, you mentioned the ap, and I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker A:The AP was banned from Oval Office press junkets.
Speaker A:I can't really call them.
Speaker A:I can't call them like press conferences.
Speaker A:And they're, they're, they, they're almost pressers.
Speaker A:But like, it's basically, it's always Donald Trump sitting behind the desk.
Speaker A:And ultimately, I think that's because at the age of 78, that his legs have begun to give out from the immense whale weight that he carries.
Speaker A:And, and I say that completely acknowledging my own weight, whale weight, whatever.
Speaker A:But, you know, he, so he has these things.
Speaker A:Well, he banned the AP because in their reporting, because of the fact.
Speaker A:And this is, this is my opinion.
Speaker A:I don't know this for a fact, but the AP is used by news sources, or I guess news resources like local television, newspapers.
Speaker A:The AP is used around the world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And outside of the United States, default set.
Speaker B:Like, if you want to get your news, you get that.
Speaker B:And then you can take from it and write about it and say, this is the report.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everything.
Speaker B:Fox News, that CNN uses it, OEM will use it, the Young Turks probably uses it.
Speaker B:I mean, it's such a big deal, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and, but because the AP reports on news around the world and they report on news in the United States.
Speaker A:Around the world.
Speaker A:There's eight.
Speaker A:You know, how.
Speaker A:What are we at?
Speaker A:8.6 billion people on the planet in the United states makes up 300 million of that.
Speaker A:So 8.2 or 8.3 billion people around the planet that would potentially read the AP News, they still report the name outside of the United States as the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker A:And that's because the only place on the planet that recognizes it as being the Gulf of America now is the United States.
Speaker A:So it seems natural to me that the Gulf of America would only be stated in AP News when it's specifically about the Gulf in reporting, that is, you know, that the content's being refreshed in the United States.
Speaker A:Outside the United States, refer to it by the Gulf of Mexico, because that's what everybody else refers to it as.
Speaker A:But because of that, the White House made the decision that they were going to ban the AP from these Oval Office little press junkets they still have front and center in the, in the press, in the press room.
Speaker A:But it seems so menial that.
Speaker A:Or like they're like that ultimately.
Speaker A:Like, I keep coming back to one of the things that, that I kept being said or what Kept being said to me when, when Trump was in office the first time was I kept being referred to as a snowflake because I made observations about Donald Trump and it was constantly, I'm a bear, it's a snowflake.
Speaker A:He's not coping with the fact that Hillary lost.
Speaker A:He's a snowflake.
Speaker A:And it's like for something as trivial as how one particular news source has the name listed, it seems so snowflake.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker A:For the White House to be upset that the AP is referring to the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of Mexico instead of the Gulf of America outside of the United States.
Speaker A:Like, why do they care what the reporting is outside of the United States?
Speaker A:Like, what, what, what difference does it make?
Speaker B:Yeah, he just, he just does it to assert dominance.
Speaker B:Like he literally just, just to make people upset.
Speaker B:But it, it truly is like there's going to be information that AP normally would write about that CNN and Fox and every media source would typically pull from just.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it's, it's pretty close to censorship.
Speaker B:I'm going to be perfectly honest.
Speaker B:I am not aware of the laws or if there's any rules that are set around that to where it's perfectly okay to be barred from any, anything.
Speaker B:But I feel like he would have done that with other medians or like.
Speaker A:Already because, well, CNN, CNN's in there.
Speaker A:CNN is in those pressers.
Speaker A:Because I hear Caitlin Collins asking questions like, she's the White House staff reporter for cnn.
Speaker A:She's in the White House.
Speaker A:You know, every, I hear her asking questions every single time.
Speaker A:It's funny you mentioned Donald Trump establishing his dominance again at the age of 78 years old.
Speaker A:Like, I, I just, I just want to keep reminding people this is not a young man.
Speaker A:He does not have the, the vitality that he had when he was, you know, 40 or 60.
Speaker A:Like, he's, he's almost 80 years old.
Speaker A:And the fact that people keep looking at him as being like this, bigger than life, whatever, he's 78 years old and, you know, ignoring the age of my parents, 78 is old.
Speaker A:It's not young.
Speaker A:And the people that keep acting like this, that he has some magic powers, I don't know.
Speaker A:Bill Kimler said he thinks he's just going to live forever, but like out of fear, I think.
Speaker A:But today, you know, you mentioned establishing dominance.
Speaker A:He posted on his True social at about 2:00 Eastern Time.
Speaker A:He said congestion pricing is dead Manhattan and all of New York is saved.
Speaker A:Long live the king.
Speaker A:He referred to Himself as the king.
Speaker A:He referred to himself as the king.
Speaker A:And then to follow up on that, in all of the White House social media, they posted what was a created article or front page of a magazine with Trump wearing a king.
Speaker A:And underneath said long live.
Speaker A:Or on the news.
Speaker A:On, on the, on the, the page it actually said long live the king.
Speaker B:I, I don't even, I don't know how we're here.
Speaker B:I really don't.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:Well, the other day he did the stuff where he was.
Speaker B:What, what do you say?
Speaker B:He who, what did he say?
Speaker B:He said something like, he who is in power must control the law or something like that.
Speaker A:Determines.
Speaker A:Basic.
Speaker A:Yeah, paraphrasing.
Speaker A:Basically, he, he who is he.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He who is in power determines.
Speaker A:Basically gets to make determinations on the law.
Speaker A:Is, is, is ultimately what he was saying.
Speaker A:And, and part of the problem is that J.D.
Speaker A:vance, who is a frigging Yale graduate.
Speaker A:Right, Yale.
Speaker A:He went to Yale Law School.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like he perpetuated with that, that the courts shouldn't be.
Speaker A:And again, paraphrasing, but the courts shouldn't be participating in any actions or whatever that, that make the executive branch look weak.
Speaker A:And it's like, what are we talking about?
Speaker A:How are we here?
Speaker B:It is wild.
Speaker B:I, because it, but it's also funny because a lot of the things have been very authoritarian and he's said the things that I've seen.
Speaker B:Just anybody can look at it and just be like, oh, these are clear.
Speaker B:Like he wants to be king.
Speaker B:He wants to be a monarch.
Speaker B:The only, the only thing that is holding them back from doing that are some of the checks and balances.
Speaker B:I was having a debate the other night about whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis.
Speaker B:And it just, the further we go, it feels like our checks and balances are being tested in ways that were never before thought about.
Speaker B:And now that the core is completely right leaning, I mean, just very openly right leaning, I don't know where we're at.
Speaker B:Like, we're pretty close to it.
Speaker B:Like two months in not even.
Speaker B:It's been like six weeks where it hadn't.
Speaker A:It hasn't been six weeks.
Speaker A:Today's February 19th.
Speaker A:He was sworn into office on the 20th.
Speaker B:It's been one month.
Speaker A:It's, it's not, it's not been a month tomorrow.
Speaker A:Yeah, and it does, it feels like we've been in this never ending, just rampage of nonsense for.
Speaker A:Yeah, it feels like it's been six months.
Speaker A:But because, and, and one of the things I I, I go back to is that back in, in during Trump's first term, one of the things that Steve what's his name, Bannon, that was an advisor to President Trump in, during his first term that Steve Bannon basically gave away some of the playbook when he told a reporter that what we have to do in this administration is basically just flood the market.
Speaker A:That's not what he used.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:But, but essentially just every day hit the press with, with as much as you can every single day so that some of the other stuff doesn't get seen.
Speaker A:Some of the other stuff just sort of skirts past and essentially they didn't do it that well during Trump's first term because I, I don't incompetence, I guess or maybe it was because there were a few adults in the room that, that prevented there being as much damage being caused.
Speaker A:But you know, there were, he had, he had hired legitimate statesmen as far as being able to, you know, when, when it came to like his cabinet, there were a few people in his cabinet that were, you know, at least constitutionally minded.
Speaker A:And, and, and now we have zero of that.
Speaker A: of Ukraine Getting back to pre: Speaker A:You know, that it was extremely unlikely.
Speaker A:And it's like, and then, and then he said that they're being accepted into NATO was extremely unlikely.
Speaker B:Which I'm, you know, I still don't know where we're at with, with NATO because from my understanding, Trump said multiple times over the past two years that he wants to completely pull out of NATO.
Speaker B:I mean, like, well, don't, don't put.
Speaker A:It in the universe then he's going to remember he said it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I mean, I remember.
Speaker B:So I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know where, where we're moving.
Speaker B:It's very also like it feels like we're just trying to evade other stuff.
Speaker B:We want, they're trying to take Panama, they want to do something with Canada.
Speaker B:They, I, which that those things if it happened, I, it's going to cause so many wars.
Speaker B:I don't know how it actually would not be just bluffs, but it's possible.
Speaker B:I mean also the red white and blue land thing, like I thought that was an Onion post when I read it.
Speaker B:I, I could not believe.
Speaker A:Oh, the Onion could Not have written it any better.
Speaker A:The fact that there is a, A Republican Congress representative from Savannah, Georgia, whom has, has put forth a bill to potentially have Greenland.
Speaker A:Well, it allows for Trump to negotiate with Denmark about the potential absorption of Greenland into the United States or, or the purchasing of Greenland, but at the, at the, at the finish of the acquisition of Greenland, that there would be a bill that would then rename Greenland to Red, White and Blueland.
Speaker A:And as ridiculous as that sounds, which, you know, it being named Greenland is sort of ridiculous in a sense anyway, because it's not.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, it's covered in ice.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, for a little while longer, that will come to an end.
Speaker A:We will not have ice on Greenland at some point in the next, I don't know, hundred years.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna come pretty close.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But, yeah, and then, you know, you look at the other things like these tariffs that are being enacted on Canada or that he wants to enact on Canada because he thinks that there's.
Speaker A:And there is a deficit as far as what is.
Speaker A:What is being shipped into Canada versus what is being shipped out of Canada in the United States.
Speaker A:So we do have.
Speaker A:There's a difference in the imports and exports.
Speaker A:We definitely import a lot from Canada, whether it's oil or lumber, pharmaceuticals.
Speaker A:We get, you know, our pharmacy.
Speaker A:The pharmaceutical companies here in the United States, they bring in a lot of their product from Canada.
Speaker A:Like, it comes in through Canada is.
Speaker A:Canada is, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:A lot of stuff comes through Canada.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the thing is this.
Speaker B:I, yeah, not in my, in my opinion, it's not a bad idea ever to strengthen relations to the point of.
Speaker B:With other countries.
Speaker B:Like, I, I would love to see a North American union.
Speaker B:I would like it would be.
Speaker B:That's an interesting concept to me.
Speaker B:But absorbing a country based out of force and taking it as our own state, that's the scary thing to me.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker B:Well, even the North American, like there's a, like a North American union would even be controversial in itself.
Speaker B:But also it'd be interesting to see how we could deal with labor.
Speaker B:If we could make, if we had a stronger union with Canada and Mexico, how would we deal with labor?
Speaker B:How we deal with immigration, like they do in the.
Speaker A:We had, we had nafta.
Speaker A:We had NAFTA for decades.
Speaker A:Like, the North.
Speaker A:North American Free Trade Agreement was in place, and it basically was, it wasn't a, it wasn't a super great thing.
Speaker A:When it came to some jobs here in the United States, I will fully admit that it definitely wrecked havoc.
Speaker A:Yeah, that too.
Speaker A:So it wasn't really great.
Speaker A:But then the uscm, what is it?
Speaker A:The uscam, the Usecam is the United States, Canada, Mexico Trade Agreement that was under Trump's first term also, basically, you know, for the most part, it was a carbon copy of nafta.
Speaker A:It just had a different name to it.
Speaker A:And it didn't really, it didn't really strengthen the economy for any of the countries.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe Canada a little bit, they benefited some from it, but it didn't really make a whole lot of changes.
Speaker A:But the idea that tariffs are the way to go against your two closest allies on the planet is asinine to me because tariffs don't do anything but raise prices for us, the consumers.
Speaker A:If Canada pulls and attaches tariffs to things that they get from the United States, it's really just going to affect their consumers.
Speaker A:Like, this is a, this, it's one of those, it's one of those weird trade wars between countries that don't really affect the country's governments.
Speaker A:It only affects the people of those countries.
Speaker A:And that's what tariffs do.
Speaker A:We, we pay for those tariffs.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, and we would for sure.
Speaker B:And to an extent, like China would feel that, which is also kind of why we had a weird.
Speaker B:It's kind of like Cuba, Cuba was the same thing.
Speaker B:And the tariffs are so strong.
Speaker B:I mean, it, the people suffered from not having us as traders.
Speaker B:And also we as well, I mean, it just hurts.
Speaker A:Well, and, and we put an embargo on them.
Speaker A:So basically canceling out any of our allies from being able to really trade with Cuba.
Speaker B:Yeah, which because, and I think that was, I can't remember, was it Obama that lifted that?
Speaker B:I think Biden put it back in so.
Speaker A:Well, actually, Obama lifted it.
Speaker A:Trump put it back in.
Speaker A:Trump.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker A:We had, we didn't really have.
Speaker A:It wasn't that we had free trade with Cuba, but we, we, Obama did open Cuba up to tourism, travel.
Speaker A:And there were, I think that there were some, there were some sanctions that were lifted against Cuba because, you know, it's been 50 years, 60 years, and ultimately, what are those sanctions really doing to a country that doesn't have an attachment to as the Soviet Union anymore?
Speaker A:Because it doesn't exist.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker A:It was just us kind of putting our thumb on them, trying to try, trying to convince them that democracy is the way to go.
Speaker A:But, you know, if Cuba's watching right now, look, this is what democracy Gets, you get the dumbest timeline with this current democracy.
Speaker B:I, I even hear like, like why the tariffs were implemented.
Speaker B:It is just like the, the whole thing with him is he's wanting it to be more everything manufactured and collected from American resources to be used which is just right.
Speaker B:That's, that's, it's like sometimes there's like things where it's halfway there.
Speaker B:If we still had the open trade we can manufacture it all the things here as long as we deal with the imports and we can say it's made in America.
Speaker B:We fully put together cars in America.
Speaker B:If we can have free imports from Germany and China and all these other places it's sure it's just impossible and sustainability is impossible.
Speaker B:All of these issues.
Speaker B:There's no way you could build all those things here and not sell them to just the ultra rich only like cars would immediately soar.
Speaker B:It's just not, it's like halfway there and then that's just demolished every, it's just goes everything reasonable goes out the window.
Speaker A:As much as people want to deny that we are the United States is just a fraction of the population of the planet.
Speaker A:Like that to me is one of the things that, that I am still dumbfounded by what how little people that, that are so close minded that don't use any critical thinking.
Speaker A:They, they do not recognize that the United States is a mere fraction of what goes on on this planet again.
Speaker A:300 million.
Speaker A:300 what?
Speaker A:60 million people.
Speaker A:330 million people.
Speaker A:Something like that make up the United States.
Speaker A:The world population is like 8.6 billion or more.
Speaker A:And it's like the idea that you ignore the most obvious that the United States isn't the majority.
Speaker A:We may spend more on our defense than the next.
Speaker A:What eight countries combined is not an indication of just how strong the United States is.
Speaker A:I sure militarily, sure I get that we have a military that could basically obliterate anyone else on the planet but it is, it's, it's insane to me that people don't recognize that we are such a small part of this giant planet and, and, and the fact that we could have such you know I, I, I, I go back to Star Trek that utopian sort of, you know, ignoring all of the, the military buildup by section 33 of, of the, the Starfleet, uh, you, you ignore that part and it's a utopian society where people basically live to better their society.
Speaker A:And I, you know as much as people out there want to argue that they think that's a terrible idea and we shouldn't do that sort of thing.
Speaker A:I, I, I have to always go back to.
Speaker A:But wouldn't it be better if we worked in partnership, if, if we could figure out a way to work in partnership with everybody to make things better, like improve lives ultimately?
Speaker A:That's the, that's the role of the government is the, our, our federal government should be working to make our lives better.
Speaker A:And under this current administration, I mean, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Working for us.
Speaker B:That's the whole point.
Speaker B:Which it's just funny that there's, there's a lot of people that are just like, well, you could say it like that.
Speaker B:And on paper it sounds great, but it just, just can't be done.
Speaker B:And I'm like, the thing we're doing right now doesn't even sound good on paper.
Speaker B:Like, no, it just.
Speaker B:What are we doing?
Speaker B:Like, we just can't.
Speaker B:Yes, we can't do this.
Speaker A:It is a, what we have right now is an ex.
Speaker A:It was basically just a scorched earth way of trying to handle the government.
Speaker A:And in part of that I get.
Speaker A:I'll bring this part up and we'll probably wrap up here in just a little bit to this, but my, my mother sent me an email with the timeline of all these paint plane incidents.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was.
Speaker B:Another one wasn't.
Speaker A:Well, there was definitely one yesterday.
Speaker A:There 17.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:Where was that one?
Speaker B:Because I think there was one.
Speaker A:Canada, Arizona.
Speaker A:Is there one in Arizona recently?
Speaker A:Today?
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Okay, so fact check me on that because I don't, I don't want to be.
Speaker B:Well, read misinformation.
Speaker A: ashes in the United States in: Speaker A:In total, 85 people have died.
Speaker A:There has not been.
Speaker A: involving a US airliner since: Speaker A:So you're talking 15 years that there had not been.
Speaker A:Nearly 15 years there had not been an incident in the United States.
Speaker A:So January 29th, we saw the American Airlines flight collide with a Blackhawk helicopter over the Potomac river, which then killed 64 people on the plane, as well as the three in the helicopter.
Speaker A:Two days later, a medical jet flying out of Philadelphia killed seven people, including a young patient who had just basically been given her life back to her after treatment.
Speaker A:Seven people were on board there, but.
Speaker A:And then 24 people injured on the ground.
Speaker A:And then what, seven days later, a Grand Caravan Cessna operating out of the, I guess flying into Nome, Alaska, crashed into the bering sea they 10 people died on that one 13th there was a plane that went off the end of the Runway at Buckeye Municipal Airport in Arizona.
Speaker A:That was that.
Speaker A:That three people were on board.
Speaker A:FAA is still investigating.
Speaker A: pal Airport in Georgia around: Speaker A:Two people on board that one.
Speaker A:The FAA and NTSB are currently investigating that.
Speaker A: ional Airport in Texas around: Speaker A:Only the pilot was on board.
Speaker A:The FAA is investigating that one.
Speaker A:And then on the 17th, Delta Airlines flight operating by a dever for air crashed while landing in the Toronto Pearson International Airport.
Speaker A:And if you've watched the video of that, that is quite the spectacle.
Speaker B:That was crazy.
Speaker B:Did you climb out of it with the video?
Speaker B:Yeah, I was, I could not imagine being in that situation.
Speaker B:It was wild.
Speaker A:The plane rolled over in flames like, and, and all 80 people got off that.
Speaker A:That to me is the.
Speaker A:Yeah, that to me is the most amazing part.
Speaker A:But the fact that, that this plane trying to do one of these crab maneuvers is essentially what was going on because there were 40 mile an hour winds with higher wind gusts and the plane was, the plane couldn't come in straight.
Speaker A:So what they do is this crab maneuver where they basically, they're flying into the headwind and just trying to edge themselves over the, over the Runway to the point where they finally, just right before, right before they come down, they yanko yank to the right or whatever so that they can then make the landing.
Speaker A:Well, they hit the, they, they did it pretty successfully up to the point where the plane then started to make that turn to try and put itself onto the ground and the wind caught it and basically just pushed it out, pushed it over on top of itself and 80 people walked away.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Right, this is the end.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say that I think, I think this is the endemic of having so many people being fired from jobs.
Speaker A:These are career civil servants that have been in these jobs for in some cases decades.
Speaker A:Especially when it comes to air travel.
Speaker A:Like literally the people that are guiding planes in via radar at, you know, working the towers and in all of these airports across the hundreds of airports across the country.
Speaker A:And the idea that they may potentially not have their job anymore, that Elon Musk is going to come in from SpaceX with some brand new software that's going to make everything super great.
Speaker A:Even though SpaceX doesn't work on software, that's not their thing.
Speaker A:They Put rockets in the air and they only really do it 60% of the time.
Speaker A:Are they successful?
Speaker A:Like, Elon Musk is notorious for SpaceX blowing planes up and then him tweeting out, well, that was exciting.
Speaker A:It's like you just blew up a $15 billion rocket and that's exciting.
Speaker A:It's insane.
Speaker B:It just, it really made, it's like, what could we have done with that money to help people?
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:Right, like 15 billion.
Speaker B:That's enough to help South Carolina out and raise teacher salary immediately.
Speaker B:Just immediately.
Speaker B:And it's like, well, we've got.
Speaker A:15 billion.
Speaker A:Would take care of salaries for teachers for probably the next, I don't know, 50 years and would reinvest into their pension program for teachers for the next hundred years.
Speaker A:Like $15 billion in just south Carolina education.
Speaker A:You know, unless, of course, you know, it's.
Speaker A:The Republicans are just going to give it all away to voucher programs and things like that.
Speaker A:But, you know, aside from that, yeah, $15 billion would be an unbelievable investment into education for one state that would, would have lasting results for into the next century, you know, because $15 billion is a lot of money in.
Speaker A:South Carolina doesn't spend that much money on education.
Speaker A:That's, it's just insane.
Speaker B:No, it's just, it's disgusting.
Speaker B:It just really is.
Speaker B:I don't, I just don't understand how we're at a point where that kind of money that just goes into something like that.
Speaker B:Because I'm also like, how are you a space truck?
Speaker B:But, but private.
Speaker B:The pri.
Speaker B:But you can do it without that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm all in favor of us sending Elon Musk to Mars.
Speaker A:I have zero issue with that because that I, I think we, we all benefit from that because that's not.
Speaker A:There's no return flight on that one.
Speaker A:I, I don't care what they say.
Speaker A:I, I don't, I don't, you know, the, the belief that we can have a sustained life on a round trip from, to and from Mars.
Speaker A:You have read too many science fiction books and none of the science fictions or none of the actual science papers on, on exactly what it takes to get us to and from Mars.
Speaker A:Because Elon Musk ain't coming back from that one.
Speaker A:I don't care how many roadsters he puts in that, that rocket with them.
Speaker B:Well, even developing a whole atmosphere, a livable place on another planet.
Speaker B:I'm like, we have a planet right now that if you're saying that you, you know how to fix that.
Speaker B:On Mars, you should be able to fix it.
Speaker B:Here you should be able to do that, but we can't.
Speaker B:I don't, I don't understand, don't understand where people are getting this from.
Speaker B:And then they're just like, oh, yeah, I'm on board with that all the way.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's, there, I, I have, I have no intelligent answers for this.
Speaker A:I have no intelligent answers.
Speaker B:Like, I need, I need experts.
Speaker A:I need, Yeah, I, I, I am, I am waiting for Elon Musk to investigate himself and the federal contracts that have quite literally made him $300 billion.
Speaker A:He has made $300 billion at the teat of the American government.
Speaker A:Where is, where, where's the audit on that?
Speaker A:That's what I want to know.
Speaker A:When is that going to happen?
Speaker A:Real quick, though.
Speaker A:Do you, do you want to talk to, you want to talk to RFK Jr.
Speaker B:I met him one time.
Speaker A:Did you?
Speaker A:Well, then maybe, maybe he'll recognize.
Speaker A:He'll, he'll remember you.
Speaker A:Bobby, Bobby Jr.
Speaker A:Is, is on the phone with us.
Speaker A:How's it going, Bobby?
Speaker A:I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try and play this link.
Speaker A:It's working.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:It's, it's RFK Jr.
Speaker A:Now, he's a little hard to understand, so I guess I can't understand a single thing he's saying, but.
Speaker A:Well, I, maybe, maybe we can just get like, inflection or something like that, but.
Speaker A:Bobby Jr, are you excited about being the Secretary of Health and Human Services?
Speaker A:Is that a good.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:I still don't understand a word he's saying.
Speaker A:It's really hard, but I'm, I'm, are, are you going to actually make a lot of changes when it comes to vaccines and, and things like that that are available through, you know, a lot of the programs with the United States as it is now?
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I, I don't understand what he's saying.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Well, I, I think, Bobby, I think, Bobby, we're probably just going to have to let you go on this one.
Speaker A:We'll, we'll try and connect with you again.
Speaker A:But you're, you got something in your throat.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:I, again, don't understand a single thing you're saying, but thanks for stopping by.
Speaker A:That was something that is going to be, that is going to be a running gag.
Speaker A:We are going to have RFK on, we are going to have RFK junior On our show all the time now.
Speaker A:We're going to have to make a lot of assumptions about what it is he's saying.
Speaker A:But I'm sure it's interesting.
Speaker B:Last time I spoke with him, he really went back on a lot of the things that he told me.
Speaker A:It was, I don't, I don't doubt.
Speaker B:That he came here to Columbia while he was running for president and every single thing.
Speaker B:He, like, recorded him on camera, spoke with him, had all these things.
Speaker B:And then almost everything that he said to Congress is the exact opposite of what he told me.
Speaker B:Is, of course, very, very weird to see that in real time.
Speaker A:Yeah, it, yeah, I, you know, I got to interview Marianne Williamson when she was running for president.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:RFK was not one that I could get on the show.
Speaker A:Like, I reached out to him, I reached out to Biden's, you know, campaign and tried to get Biden to come on.
Speaker A:I reached, hell, I reached out to Trump's campaign to try to get on, but apparently you have to be a.
Speaker A:Via Theo Vaughn or.
Speaker B:Oh, Joe Rogan.
Speaker A:Yeah, Joe Rogan or whatever in order to get Donald Trump on, which is fine.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:My feelings aren't hurt.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But yeah, you know, ultimately, RFK is the forgotten son of the Kennedy family.
Speaker A:Like, he's mostly alienated himself out of their graces and the result is, is now he's the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
Speaker A:And when he was asked, are you going to, are you going to go to, to work for a medical company or potentially a pharmaceutical after you are no longer in this, this seat, which ultimately I think it's fair to ask, are you going to turn this job into a job that then creates you a mass amount of money, being the face of Pfizer or something like that?
Speaker A:It's fair to ask that question.
Speaker A:Couldn't say no.
Speaker A:He couldn't say yes.
Speaker A:He couldn't say no.
Speaker A:And ultimately I don't.
Speaker A:It wouldn't have turned out any differently.
Speaker A:But just, you know, be honest, tell us.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm using this to get me back into the money that the Kennedys have.
Speaker A:You know, Kennedys, Carlisle's, whatever.
Speaker A:Just insane, isn't it?
Speaker A:The Carlisle is the Kennedys.
Speaker A:The Carlisle's.
Speaker B:Carlisle, Kennedy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Lexington beat.
Speaker B:Oh, Put myself on the spot.
Speaker B:I was trying to think of who it was.
Speaker B:The Republican woman.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Somebody in the comments over here said Blake Hungerford said that Theo Vaughn is not funny.
Speaker A:Totally agree.
Speaker A:Theo Vaughn is.
Speaker A:Theo Fawn is trash as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker A:That may not be everyone's opinion, I tell you, I just don't find him funny.
Speaker B:I watched, I did watch him live he was a, it was an interesting.
Speaker A:I know, yeah, I was gonna say I know people that watch him live, but he's not like, he's not really a professional comedian.
Speaker A:I don't actually know what it is that he did to get famous unless it was just the Internet.
Speaker A:I assume he just made his fame on the Internet.
Speaker B:He was on a lot of like, little shows and stuff for a while.
Speaker A:But he was, he, he was the weakest part of the, the, the, the Johnny Knoxville movie that came out last year about him being in a rehab softball team.
Speaker A:Theo Von was the weakest part of that entire movie.
Speaker A:And ultimately I've seen his stand up.
Speaker A:I, I don't know who writes for him, but they have to be disappointed in how he carries out their jokes.
Speaker A:That's, that's, that's how I'll say there's a timing issue.
Speaker A:Well, Bill, I really appreciate, I know you said you've got to get out of here for, for, for stuff that you've got to do.
Speaker A:I just real quick want to wrap it up.
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