Unlocking the Mind: Hypnosis and Spiritual Growth with Mela Borawski
Reverend Pamela "Mela" Borawski joins us for a compelling discussion that explores the intricate intersections of personal transformation, spirituality, and community building. In this engaging episode, we delve into Mela's multifaceted journey, which encompasses her experiences as a certified hypnotist and ordained pagan minister, along with her role as the founder of 3 Rays of Light LLC. Together with Special Guest Co-Host Amii Bland and Host Barrett Gruber, we examine Mela's insights into the power of the mind and the significance of embracing personal sovereignty. Throughout the conversation, we gain valuable perspectives on healing, the nuances of paganism, and the importance of fostering connections with nature and oneself. Join us as we uncover the profound lessons Mela has learned on her path and the transformative practices she advocates for others seeking healing and empowerment.
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Speaker A:Actually, I don't think that's true.
Speaker A:Luke Basso was a few days ago or a couple episodes ago.
Speaker A:Bill Fry was here with me last week.
Speaker A:I'm trying.
Speaker A:Look, we record these episodes almost two weeks ahead of time and I'm trying in my head to remember what the last episode was.
Speaker A:And I'm pretty sure that 249 was a breakdown of something Trump did.
Speaker A:Stupid.
Speaker A:And I feel like that's about as that's about as safe a description of that last episode as I can give.
Speaker A:But Bill Fry will be back with me for the next episode because Zach is still on paternity leave.
Speaker A:Although I think I did mention in the episode with Luke because I did listen to it.
Speaker A:And I confess I almost never listen to my own episodes.
Speaker A:But I will confess that I did acknowledge that Zach did have Zach's wife did have twins.
Speaker A:They had a boy and a girl.
Speaker A:They were £6 something and maybe just under £6 was Ellie, am I right?
Speaker B:Oh, that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Okay, I apparently was blessed with these details somehow and I now I'M thinking about it.
Speaker A:I don't know where I got those details.
Speaker B:So making them up.
Speaker B:Is that the birth weight of your twins?
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:The birth weight of.
Speaker A:They were six.
Speaker A:They were both six, nine, six, six pounds.
Speaker A:Nine ounces.
Speaker A:Lot.
Speaker A:Lot.
Speaker A:A lot of baby.
Speaker A:If, if you're having to carry 13 and a half pounds, that's, that's a chunky baby.
Speaker A:And for anyone out there that was more than 13 pounds, I apologize.
Speaker A:That was, that was completely insensitive of me, baby.
Speaker A:But thanks to Luke Basso for being on the episode because I don't think I thanked him in the episode that I did with Bill last week.
Speaker A:But like I said, Bill Frey will be back with me for the next episode.
Speaker A:Thank you, Amy, for sitting in.
Speaker A:I appreciate it.
Speaker A:So we have a very fascinating guest joining us whose work spans personal transformation, spirituality and community building.
Speaker A:I want to welcome to the show Reverend Pamela Mella Barowski.
Speaker A:I want to make sure I get your last name right too, because I just realized in the pre interview, I didn't ask you how to pronounce your last name, but Barowski is correct, right?
Speaker C:Borowski.
Speaker A:Yes, Borowski.
Speaker A:She is a certified hypnotist and ordained pagan minister and the founder of 3 Rays of Light LLC.
Speaker A:Through her work, she helps people explore the power of the mind, embracing personal sovereignty and connect with their spiritual paths in meaningful way.
Speaker A:But that's just the beginning.
Speaker A:Mela is also a health keeper.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, a hearth keeper for Eowyn Grove Pagan Fellowship, the president of Green Wild Spiritual Fellowship and the co founder of Green Wild Mystical Academy where she teaches courses on spiritual growth.
Speaker A:If that wasn't enough, she is the host of the podcast Bell Book and Candle where she dives into anything and everything, mystical practices to personal empowerment.
Speaker A:So we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about your journey, your work and lessons and also what you've learned along the way.
Speaker A:So, Mela, welcome to the show.
Speaker A:Thank you for being here with us.
Speaker C:Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was excited because I think we were at Christmas dinner or we were at some event and my wife's sister's niece is a mutual friend of ours.
Speaker A:And I just happened to say something about how I would really like to meet a hypnotist that I could potentially have on the podcast.
Speaker A:And in that conversation our mutual acquaintance that we have said I know somebody and threw out your name.
Speaker A:And so I, at first I wasn't sure because I was the idea of being hypnotized and not Having that control that could potentially be taken away by somebody that might.
Speaker A:Would take advantage of it was a little bit concerning.
Speaker A:But also, as I expressed before we started recording, it's not something that I want to exploit.
Speaker A:I don't want to have somebody on that has a skill like this that uses it as part of what you do in.
Speaker A:In helping people with.
Speaker A:With their spiritual healing and therapy and things like that.
Speaker A:I didn't want to take it and be like, hey, turn me into a chicken.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So first of all, I guess before we get anything, can you get into everything?
Speaker A:Can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker A:What's your background?
Speaker A:What is it that.
Speaker A:How, how, how.
Speaker A:How are we here?
Speaker C:Wow, that's quite a story.
Speaker C:So I'll put it as tiny as I can.
Speaker C:I actually grew up in an evangelical fundamentalist cult church here in South Carolina that was very controlling, very abusive.
Speaker C:And there was also a lot of things going on at my house that turned me into this person that was seeking healing for myself.
Speaker C:I was depressed, I've been in the mental hospital.
Speaker C:I was suicidal, I harmed myself.
Speaker C:All these different things that I didn't want to live anymore.
Speaker C:And that's really integral to my story because it's why in my 40s, when I finally got to the point where I felt healed enough that I wanted to help other people, so maybe they were healed, healed sooner than I was.
Speaker C:It allowed me to go back to school and to learn all these different techniques and hypnosis and coaching and guiding people and get ordained all through the school that I went to.
Speaker C:And it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't have been on my own kind of hero's journey and in the dark night of the soul in such a deep way that I didn't even want to in this world anymore.
Speaker C:So kind of in a nutshell, that's where I am, where I am now.
Speaker A:That is a lot to unpack.
Speaker A:First of all, we see a lot over the course.
Speaker A:Even recently, there are so many.
Speaker A:I mean, we have specials on Netflix and Hulu of people that escaped from these fundamentalist evangelical churches and things like that.
Speaker A:Is not to get too deep into it, but is it sort of a similar.
Speaker A:Is it something that we could potentially see on Dateline, msnbc or something like that?
Speaker C:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker C:It had everything that you could want in a cult, including sexual abuse and everything from leadership.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was a very controlling type of place where women were subservient and less than and just taught to serve other people.
Speaker C:It was associated at one Point with Bob Jones University.
Speaker C:I don't know if I should even be saying that.
Speaker C:Is that okay to say?
Speaker A:But Bob Jones hasn't paid for their advertising in years, so you're good.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they were associated with them, and, you know, they made the women wear long jean skirts like you would see on those programs.
Speaker C:And we were sent to different seminars and things to learn how to be good, quiet women and good wives.
Speaker C:So that was a pretty scary place.
Speaker A:Sounds very handmade tale.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And awfully brave of you to be able to speak about, because I know a lot of times people are afraid to speak out and.
Speaker B:And tell their own truth, even though it's so immensely helpful to other people who are in similar situations to know that they're not alone.
Speaker B:Because in that moment, I have to imagine you feel alone despite being surrounded by other women who are in the exact same scenario as you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Even in the church, there were lots of other people who ended up being abused in different ways, and it ended up that nobody wanted as an adult, to go back to that.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I ended up being the only person that pressed charges.
Speaker A:Goodness.
Speaker A:Is there.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And this is me just.
Speaker A:Is there a community that is available for survivors of that sort of situation?
Speaker A:Is this.
Speaker A:I mean, or is it.
Speaker A:Is it just sort of.
Speaker A:You have to find those people and just sort of coalesce into a.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But you kind of do that too, Right?
Speaker C:That's there everywhere.
Speaker C:And many of them have come to paganism.
Speaker C:But if you.
Speaker C:If you're looking for something like that, if you look up exvangelical, you will find lots of communities, lots of YouTube videos, TikToks, everything that exvangelical is what people usually call themselves.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are there a lot of.
Speaker A:I'm going to get hit by lightning for saying this.
Speaker A:Jokes.
Speaker B:It is storming outside.
Speaker A:Paganism is extremely interesting to me because even those that are evangelical Christians, they're Protestants or Catholics, I will hear them at least acknowledge the attachment to.
Speaker A:What was paganism before Christianity sort of took hold.
Speaker B:Well, you can't not.
Speaker B:I mean, that's where so much of it comes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think we can all acknowledge that Christianity is only as popular as it is because of the holidays that are extremely pain.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Look, I grew up in a household that wasn't very religious.
Speaker A:And then when I moved to South Carolina, in order to technically marry my first wife, I had to become Catholic because they wanted a Catholic wedding.
Speaker A:And I had to be.
Speaker A:You know, I had to go through Cria So that I could.
Speaker A:I could be a Catholic.
Speaker A:And I attached myself to it.
Speaker A:I liked the traditions of the church, and I certainly believed that there was a Jesus Christ that existed, and I had no issue with that.
Speaker A:The issues that have taken me and pushed me further away from any really organized religion is just the amount of abusive power that seems to be held onto by the people that run these churches.
Speaker A:And so paganism just seems like fun.
Speaker C:I think it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's definitely something that you are your own sovereign power in.
Speaker C:You're making your own path.
Speaker C:There is no Southern Baptist Convention or anything like that.
Speaker C:That's telling you what you have to believe and what you have to do.
Speaker A:So what you're telling me is no dues?
Speaker C:No dues?
Speaker A:No, no, no, no tithing?
Speaker A:Is that what we're.
Speaker C:I'm sorry, we don't do tithing in.
Speaker C:In our church.
Speaker C:Basically, it's a pagan church.
Speaker C:We don't.
Speaker C:We have that in our bylaws that we are not forcing people to tithe.
Speaker C:I grew up with being told that you had to give 10% and it had to come before taxes and the pastor and the.
Speaker C:The elders would come knocking on your door if you didn't do that.
Speaker C:And I don't want to.
Speaker C:I don't want that.
Speaker C:I don't want that energy around me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I know I've listened to a couple of different podcasts that you were on or little snippets of them, and my understanding is that while you felt the connection to paganism earlier on, you didn't consider yourself necessarily a witch until later in your life.
Speaker B:Like, that was something that you came to later.
Speaker B:But I think.
Speaker B:And I don't know a whole lot about paganism, but I feel like that's probably something that, to some degree, maybe you have an inkling of a thought that that's part of who you are or how you think, even before you can establish it as, you know, this design.
Speaker B:When did you start feeling like this is maybe something I feel spiritually connected to?
Speaker C:Paganism or witchcraft.
Speaker B:Paganism.
Speaker C:Paganism.
Speaker C:It was probably about 22 or 23 years ago.
Speaker C:And oddly enough, my inroad was DND.
Speaker C:Okay, so it was late 20s for me.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm in my 50s, and I was getting.
Speaker C:I was out of the church by that time.
Speaker C:I had chronic illness.
Speaker C:I was on my computer all the time.
Speaker C:And I started playing D and D.
Speaker C:I wanted to be a druid.
Speaker C:I am a researcher.
Speaker C:I looked up druidry and druids.
Speaker C:And I started running into real druids and real organizations, and I connected with that so much.
Speaker C:So my first kind of jaunt in paganism was as a druid.
Speaker C:And over 20 years ago, I was out in my parents yard.
Speaker C:When I was over at their house, my mom sewed me a white robe and with oak leaves down it, and I went out and celebrated my first full moon by myself.
Speaker B:So your mother, was she in your evangelical church with you?
Speaker C:She was.
Speaker B:And she supported this?
Speaker C:She did, because she helps me in my healing.
Speaker C:My story is very kind of ups and downs.
Speaker C:And so there was a.
Speaker C:There were a couple of points where my husband and I were separated and even legally separated at one time, and I had a lot of healing that I needed to do.
Speaker C:The second time we were separated was because his church, because he was still in church, had told him that I was not safe to be around our young children, that I was demon possessed, and that he needed to let the unbeliever depart.
Speaker C:And so that is when I went to live with my parents.
Speaker C:And my mother got dbt, that kind of therapy for me and counseling, and also supported my journey into paganism, Even though she did not understand it or agree with it, she wanted to support me in whatever I needed to do to heal and not be as broken as I felt that I was.
Speaker C:So I really appreciate that she showed.
Speaker B:You a beautiful robe to go out and celebrate the full moon.
Speaker A:And so to go back a little bit into the evangelical Christian, the church that you were involved in, that your husband was with these Christians, did they offer anything besides judgment and name calling to try and encourage you to recognize that maybe what they were doing was right?
Speaker A:I mean, I guess I just.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:That's one of those.
Speaker A:That's one of those things that I always.
Speaker A:That I go back to is just when.
Speaker A:When I think of Christianity, just the amount of judgment that's involved in some of these evangelical churches.
Speaker A:But, like, you know, your husband.
Speaker A:Are.
Speaker A:You and your husband are still together now, or.
Speaker C:We are, yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And he supports you through your journey?
Speaker C:He supports me completely now, yeah.
Speaker A:But when the church was saying these terrible things or trying to make it look as though you had something that was wrong with you, did the church itself offer any sort of assistance or counseling or anything like that?
Speaker A:Didn't have any sort of preconceived bylaws or requirements.
Speaker C:So I had agreed to go to marriage counseling wherever he wanted me to go, and I went to his church.
Speaker C:And it wasn't, of course, the same church that I grew up in.
Speaker C:It wasn't nearly as strict as that, but still, I was very sure that I was pagan at the time.
Speaker C:I was reading oracle cards and tarot cards and doing magic and that sort of thing, and I was open about it.
Speaker C:And so when I went to pastoral counseling several times with him and one of the pastors, it kind of was a blind side to me because he met with my husband without me there, that I didn't know about.
Speaker C:And that's when my husband came home.
Speaker C:So he was.
Speaker C:He was nice to my face, wonderful, you know, trying to help us and everything.
Speaker C:And then he snuck my husband in and told him to let the unbeliever depart, that, you know, I was dangerous for my children.
Speaker C:And that was the end of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And my husband no longer goes to that church or any church.
Speaker A:What does it mean to you to.
Speaker A:Or I guess for anyone that might not understand, including myself, what does it mean to be pagan?
Speaker C:To me, it's a huge umbrella.
Speaker C:So I'm going to speak about my own personal belief and anyone else who's pagan who doesn't resonate with that, just understand that it's a huge umbrella for me, it is a deep connection to nature, to the cycles of nature.
Speaker C:Learning from the moon, the sun, the Earth, following all of the seasonal celebrations that come through, and having a right.
Speaker C:We call it a right relationship with nature, whatever that means, a right relationship with other people, because we're all polygon part of nature.
Speaker C:And I'm a pantheist and an animus.
Speaker C:So I believe that everything is one.
Speaker C:It's all one energy.
Speaker C:And I believe that everything has a little bit of consciousness in it.
Speaker C:So you'll see me talking to the trees, talking to the bees, the crows, the ground, a rock.
Speaker C:Because I believe that we are all just little bits and pieces of the consciousness of the universe, and we're connected to that.
Speaker C:So connection and relationship is really what my pagan path is about.
Speaker A:I was a boy Scout and, you know, but I think.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:I think it's fascinating that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That just being aware of your environment and how.
Speaker A:How much of a role that environment plays on your life and how you play a role in that.
Speaker A:You know, whether it's nature and everything else like that, that to.
Speaker A:To have that defined by a grouping or a title like paganism is.
Speaker A:It almost seems unnecessary because I think, you know, everything.
Speaker A:Everything we do.
Speaker A:So Tesla is.
Speaker A:Is a Tesla worth buying?
Speaker A:Or is the lithium battery mining so awful, the environment that we shouldn't do it?
Speaker C:That's, that is the question.
Speaker B:So here's an on topic question.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:Sorry, I make jokes.
Speaker B:The, the transition from paganism to witchcraft then, because they're not necessarily the same, right.
Speaker B:Like they, they kind of overlap, but they're kind of two different sects.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Am I understanding that correctly?
Speaker C:So witchcraft, the way I see it, is a skill set.
Speaker C:I know Christian witches, I know Jewish witches.
Speaker C:I know atheist witches.
Speaker C:It's a skill set and it goes very well with paganism.
Speaker C:So I am a pagan witch, but there are other types of witches out there.
Speaker C:I did not know that.
Speaker B:So that's interesting.
Speaker B:When did you realize it, that you were a witch?
Speaker C:I had been toying with that probably the last 10 years or so.
Speaker C:But the way that I was brought up had such a bad taste in my mouth about the term witch.
Speaker C:There was so much just negative about it that it, that just like other words like prayer also had a bad connotation because of what happened in my church.
Speaker C:That there are certain things that I had to reclaim with my own definition and not how my church saw it.
Speaker C:When, when I was growing up and.
Speaker C:Which was one of those things.
Speaker C:And when I did research on it because I, I heard I had other people saying they were witches and the way they described it, I felt like, well, that was me.
Speaker C:My mother was very against the word witch and she still, she does not consider herself a witch, even though she will come and do magic with me.
Speaker C:So it was just a kind of a gradual thing of the more research that I did, the more I realized that I will claim this and it will be what I want it to be.
Speaker A:What sort of magic are we talking about?
Speaker A:Like, like what is.
Speaker A:Because I know a couple card tricks.
Speaker B:But, but not really well.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, I may be able to convince you that that is your card.
Speaker A:But like when you, when you say things, when you, when you talk about magic, what, what, what sort of things are we talking about?
Speaker C:To me, magic is anytime you are trying to manipulate and change the universe around you.
Speaker C:So as a child, one of the things that I did that I got in trouble for because it was seen as demonic, is I would have dreams of things that would happen.
Speaker C:I don't think that I created it to happen, but I knew what was going to happen.
Speaker C:I would sing to the rain outside my window, and I would sing for it to stop raining.
Speaker C:It would stop and then I'd sing and it would start again.
Speaker C:So as a energy manipulator, I do healing energy.
Speaker C:I think Everything that we do has energy.
Speaker C:Science has proven that everything is energy.
Speaker C:That when you are trying to.
Speaker C:Like an Appalachia, the weather, magic is very strong.
Speaker C:So if I want the wind or the rain to not, you know, come down on my party, I will blow it across the street.
Speaker C:And people.
Speaker C:I've had multitudes of people see it happen, and it will be raining across the street, but not on our party.
Speaker C:So that's just an example, I think, healing.
Speaker C:I think praying for someone's good health, praying for a parking spot down at the State House, and it happening, it being right there, open.
Speaker C:Any time that you are manipulating the universe, you are doing magic, everything is magical.
Speaker C:People just.
Speaker C:They give it a bad name, and they think that it's just kind of this weird thing that you're doing all this stuff with smoke and mirrors.
Speaker C:And maybe I use smoke and mirrors sometimes, and maybe I use herbs and sticks and things like that.
Speaker C:But our voice is used in every religion, every culture to change the world around us.
Speaker C:And that.
Speaker C:That's the magic.
Speaker C:And so that's.
Speaker C:That's what I do when I do hypnosis.
Speaker C:I think that's magic, too.
Speaker C:When I went and spoke at a Presbyterian church, I told all those people that when they pray that they're casting a spell.
Speaker C:They didn't take it too kindly, but I believe that that's the truth.
Speaker A:Well, at least it was the Presbyterians and not the Pentecostals, because, you know, or the.
Speaker A:Or the Independent Baptist, because they may have thrown snakes and rats at you.
Speaker A:So, you know, I'm generalizing, but I'm being honest.
Speaker A:So I want to.
Speaker A:I want to talk about a little bit about the spiritual alchemy.
Speaker A:You call yourself a spiritual alchemist.
Speaker A:It's not something you hear every day.
Speaker A:So can you break that down for us?
Speaker A:What is it exactly that a spiritual alchemist is?
Speaker C:Alchemy is about transmutation, transformation.
Speaker C:So I have clients come to me for whatever reason, because I'm a transpersonal hypnosis practitioner.
Speaker C:So we're dealing with mind, body, and spirit.
Speaker C:So if I have someone come to me and they are carrying these heavy burdens from abuse, from trauma, from different things that have happened to them in their past.
Speaker C:They're holding on to that energy in their bodies, in their minds, and in their spiritual world.
Speaker C:And so as an alchemist, my job is to ask the right questions, to figure out what I need to say in order to help make this change happen and to encourage them to make the different changes.
Speaker C:And also using hypnosis and Other healing techniques, tapping, auriculotherapy, all the different tools and techniques and modalities that I know if they are needed.
Speaker C:All of that together is almost like this alchemist lab that we're putting these different ingredients in and transmuting what is harming them and hurting them in their life.
Speaker C:A lot of times it's because they just don't even love themselves that, that can change your life.
Speaker C:If you start loving yourself and transmuting all the negative into something that they can then take and have a more healed, a more happy, a better life.
Speaker C:Even if it's, even if they come to me to do well in a test because hypnosis is good for that or to do better at sports, you're still taking their beliefs about that, transmuting that into them being better at whatever they're doing or being able to remember things on a test.
Speaker C:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:No, I think that, yeah, that makes sense to me in the idea without associating it with magic.
Speaker A:But basically if I accept the idea of magic, then I guess that sort of gives it a, it rather than just being a skill of, of pushing or acknowledging someone's pain or weakness or things like that and then moving them towards that healing by allowing them to heal themselves.
Speaker A:The magic part is the part that I wind up having a hard time with only because you know, I, I, in my head I, I apply, you know, science.
Speaker A:When you mention like, I mean she.
Speaker B:Did over 100 hours.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, no, totally agree.
Speaker A:No, no therapy like it's totally agree.
Speaker B:The science to it.
Speaker A:And, and I'm, and of course I'm coming at it from you know, listeners that would potentially be skeptical of it.
Speaker A:We have, we have people that, that listen that are, that are very Christian.
Speaker A:We, we have a woman who, a diatribe for our podcast, Sarah Jane, who is an evangelical, I'm sorry is a, is a, a minister, she's a lay minister.
Speaker A:So of course those are, you know, and having grown up in and around Christianity, I certainly recognize the, the, I guess a degree of the skepticism of the idea of magic.
Speaker A:And how is like with me one of the things.
Speaker A:I have a group that we go and do Paranormal Investigations.
Speaker A:I am a full on skeptic in the idea that one, that there's even an afterlife and two, that that afterlife has the ability to have manipulative spirits that would have some sort of effect on the environment.
Speaker A:But I've documented shit that I don't understand.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I'm still very skeptical of it.
Speaker A:Just it's Just my, it's just my, my Persona, my, my, my being.
Speaker A:But like for, for, let's say somebody comes to you looking for help.
Speaker A:That, that, that they have reached the point where traditional medicines or traditional therapies are just not, they're, it's not, it's not fixing it for them.
Speaker A:It's not, it's not getting them to the point where they can be self sufficient.
Speaker A:If, if, if they came to you, what's one of the first approaches that you give them?
Speaker A:And do you give them a test?
Speaker A:Do you give them, do you have, do, do you walk through?
Speaker A:Well, I'll let, I'll let you answer instead, instead of throwing out all the potentials that you could do.
Speaker A:And now I'm running your company for a 5% cover charge.
Speaker B:Don't let them do it.
Speaker C:So first, I think that my challenge for you is to expand, expand your definition of magic.
Speaker C:And I think a lot of people hear the term magic and they, they think of kind of hokey TV shows and movies and books and magic.
Speaker C:When I talk about it, it does have a scientific basis because there's a lot of things that we know about today that were magic in the past.
Speaker C:And so maybe magic is just science that we don't quite understand.
Speaker C:Especially when you're looking at it at a quantum level of how the world interacts with each other and how they have actually done experiments where speaking to things like speaking to plants nicely makes it grow better and speaking to it in a derogatory way has made it to not live as, as well.
Speaker C:Or when they're doing experiments where if you're not watching it, the molecule or atom or whatever it was does something completely different.
Speaker C:So there's, there's a consciousness or a magic to it.
Speaker C:But you have to expand your definition of magic.
Speaker C:As far as clients, when they come to me, I don't talk about magic with most of my clients unless they come to me and they say I'm pagan and I want this to be on a more magical level.
Speaker C:In my mind, I know what is happening is alchemy, magical alchemy, spiritual alchemy, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker C:But I will just treat them with respect.
Speaker C:I will see them where they are at, I will ask them questions.
Speaker C:I have a whole intake form where they talk about what's happened, what are they looking to get, what their learning style is, phobias.
Speaker C:Because I don't want to do anything in my hypnosis if they're afraid of something like I don't want them Floating in a cloud above the earth if they have.
Speaker C:Have a fear of heights.
Speaker C:So I just ask questions like that.
Speaker C:And then I will ask questions that allow them to talk and tell me exactly what they want to get from it so that I can use their language when I do a hypnosis session with them.
Speaker B:No, And I.
Speaker B:I think that makes a lot of sense because I don't think that I.
Speaker B:And I could be wrong just based on reading from the Internet and, you know, what's out here.
Speaker B:But I think that a lot of what you do as far as the.
Speaker B:The hypnosis and this life coach and all of that isn't defined by you being pagan or a witch.
Speaker B:Obviously your personality and what you have and the way you think about things and frame them up in your own mind is.
Speaker B:But the way that you're helping people on their journeys and to heal has nothing to do with magic or with you being a witch.
Speaker B:It has to do with the training that you put in to be able to tap into, I guess, subconscious.
Speaker C:Is it subconscious conscious?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Which I think is incredibly neat.
Speaker B:You know, and Barrett and I have talked about it before because he thinks that he wouldn't be.
Speaker B:As far as hypnosis goes, and we're gonna go a little off topic here.
Speaker B:I think he thinks he wouldn't be susceptible at all to.
Speaker B:Because he, you know, I'm sure you can't tell, but he's full of himself.
Speaker B:You know, he's.
Speaker B:He's serious and he's stoic and, you know, factual based and all of that.
Speaker B:And we talked about the fact that I feel like probably I, I'm a very susceptible person.
Speaker B:I'm very open to suggestion.
Speaker B:I was like, I'd probably be someone who could be hypnotized pretty easily, Although not if I have to picture myself in a cloud because I can't picture anything so well.
Speaker A:She thinks people have superpowers too, that they can see through car doors and.
Speaker B:People could have superpowers.
Speaker B:You don't know is what I'm saying there.
Speaker B:I'm just saying you can't totally rule it out.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker A:I do come from a fairly skeptical place.
Speaker A:And you explain the science behind it, because you're right that my.
Speaker A:My wife has a greenhouse full of plants.
Speaker A:And one of the things that she and me has a greenhouse full of plants.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And there have been scientific tests done where people have either played music for their plants and the.
Speaker A:And the plants have flourished or they have.
Speaker A:They have had.
Speaker A:Had very kind, friendly Things to say to their plants as they walk out.
Speaker A:I'm sure you walk into your greenhouse and you say good morning all the time.
Speaker B:Time.
Speaker B:I'm going to start talking to the tomato that I'm growing for you in a very mean way, though.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker B:You're going to have very sour tomatoes.
Speaker A:That doesn't sound awful to me.
Speaker A:The sour tomato kind of sounds like a pretty good flavored tomato.
Speaker B:Although on the plant thing, there is an episode of Radio Lab from years ago where they talk about the connectivity of plants and this whole thing, it's so good.
Speaker B:So any listeners who are listening, go check out that episode of Radio Lab.
Speaker A:Very good.
Speaker A:There are tons of people out there that believe that they can manifest the things that they want in their life.
Speaker A:And it, there are documented cases where it works.
Speaker A:So I, even as a skeptic, I'm not a skeptic because I refuse to believe it.
Speaker A:I just, I'm a skeptic because I have to have that proof.
Speaker A:But even in the conversation we've had, there lines up the proof that I would need.
Speaker B:So I also lacks whimsy.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:He just doesn't want the joy in things.
Speaker A:Donald Trump has killed a lot of my whimsy and he kills it every day.
Speaker A:So talking about the hypnosis part, which was ultimately what led me to you, how, how, how many people come into your, I guess, sessions with you with this preconceived notion about what hypnosis is to them?
Speaker A:What is it they like, what, what is it most people think that hypnosis is?
Speaker A:When, when you first take them on.
Speaker C:As a client, I would say a good 80% really have no idea.
Speaker C:They've only ever seen it on tv.
Speaker C:They're wondering if they're going to be in control.
Speaker C:And I always tell them, I'm not going to make you cluck like a chicken.
Speaker C:You're not going to get up and dance.
Speaker C:Because that's what they're asking, that's what they're worried about.
Speaker C:Stage hip hypnosis is a very special thing.
Speaker C:And they have been trained to look through the audience and find the most acceptable people.
Speaker C:And so those are, those are the people they choose.
Speaker C:They know what to look for.
Speaker C:So that's not what I'm doing.
Speaker C:I tell people they are in control completely.
Speaker C:Even with a past life regression or an age regression, which is longer and deeper.
Speaker C:I have had a client say that they needed to go to the bathroom in the middle.
Speaker C:So you are always in control.
Speaker C:Some people go deeper than others in My regular hypnosis, even if you fall asleep, it still works because it works on the subconscious, and the subconscious never sleeps.
Speaker C:So all your job is in a hypnosis session is to be relaxed.
Speaker C:Whether you are hearing every, you know, car that passes outside and everything going on, or you are completely under and don't even remember that it's happened, there's still healing that can happen.
Speaker C:So you don't have to be completely susceptible in order for it to.
Speaker C:To work and to.
Speaker C:And to be good.
Speaker B:But you do have to be in the right mindset.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, so you can't just want it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:And you know the old TV thing with the stopwatch, you know, you were getting very sleepy.
Speaker B:I assume maybe you're incorrectly, but I assume that's not how it actually happens.
Speaker C:That is not how it works.
Speaker C:And those types of things.
Speaker C:And the movie get out has done the worst for hypnosis, really.
Speaker C:Just all the things that are in media and, and TV shows and the watch going back and forth and the control, all that just really kind of gives a bad name to what healing hypnosis really is, because it's not like that at all.
Speaker C:It's more like meditation than anything.
Speaker C:And in a meditation, you don't lose control, you're just relaxed.
Speaker C:The main job of a hypnosis practitioner who's doing hypnosis on someone is to bypass the conscious mind in whatever degree possible in order to speak to the subconscious mind.
Speaker C:And like I said, I use the language of my client and I find out exactly what they want to do.
Speaker C:I had a client this morning when I was, when I was at the office, a younger client.
Speaker C:And I spoke to both of my.
Speaker C:My client and their parent about what they wanted to see happen.
Speaker C:And I use the language that they use in their family of you are loved, you are enough.
Speaker C:Those types of things.
Speaker C:And it was just a matter of a gentle meditation.
Speaker C:I have a special way of speaking.
Speaker C:It's called the hypno voice that I was taught to use that naturally bypasses that conscious mind.
Speaker C:And you just relax and you listen to me speak for about 30 to 40 minutes.
Speaker C:And then amazing things happen.
Speaker B:When I get us a sample of.
Speaker A:A hypno voice, I was, I wanted to.
Speaker B:I know I was like, I want to ask, but I want to do that.
Speaker C:Sure, sure.
Speaker C:It kind of sounds like a lullaby.
Speaker C:At some points it might sound like I'm singing a little bit.
Speaker C:That's what people say it sounds like.
Speaker C:I'll give you an example.
Speaker C:Just relax.
Speaker C:Take a nice Deep breath and breathe out, exhaling.
Speaker C:Anything that's been going on in your life that's struggle or tension or anxiety, all you need to do is just lay back and relax.
Speaker C:Nobody needs anything from you right now.
Speaker C:Nobody wants anything.
Speaker C:This is a safe space for you to simply relax.
Speaker B:Look at that.
Speaker B:You know, you ever go to yoga class?
Speaker B:Because that's very similar.
Speaker C:It's sometimes.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, sometimes in, in a nice, like vinyasa flow.
Speaker B:It's the same kind of thing.
Speaker A:It is very calming.
Speaker A:And even the singing was.
Speaker A:It's not, you know, because in my head I kind of felt as though there was with, I guess, the hypnotism that we see on television and things like that, that there's a gimmick behind it.
Speaker A:And if there isn't, then everyone is staged.
Speaker A:But I have done meditation for a little while.
Speaker A:I did transcendental meditation, and that was.
Speaker A:It never even occurred to me.
Speaker A:But you're basically putting yourself into a hypnotic state where, again, you're in complete control, but you're allowing for the ailments or the things that are bothering you to become actual, almost physical manifestations that you can push out and away from yourself and allow for.
Speaker A:And allow for a hole to basically be filled by something that is.
Speaker A:Is more towards your benefit than.
Speaker A:Than what was there.
Speaker A:So I, I, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's not necessarily that I.
Speaker A:That I was skeptical of it.
Speaker A:It was just that I had to figure out for.
Speaker A:For you to push me in the direction of figuring out, you know, what it actually has means in the experiences that I've had.
Speaker A:So that, that's, I think that's.
Speaker A:That's fascinating.
Speaker B:Is it hard to do the voice for 30, 40, 50 minutes?
Speaker C:No, not at all.
Speaker C:I've done it first for years now, and I will just naturally go into it.
Speaker C:And I do a lot of meditations as well, guided meditations.
Speaker C:And I will find myself using my voice when I do that as well.
Speaker C:And so I have to pull back just a little bit because I don't want to be hypnotizing someone if they've only said that they're coming to my full moon for a meditation, you know.
Speaker B:And at the risk of sounding totally insane, can you accidentally hypnotize yourself?
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I wouldn't say accidentally, but there's lots that you can do for self hypnosis and, well, if you've ever been driving somewhere and you end up at your destination and you have forgotten a little bit of where you've been going, that is hypnosis.
Speaker A:I have done that.
Speaker C:That's hypnosis.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just totally zone out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I will tell a story.
Speaker A:Like there have been times where we have.
Speaker A:We have been traveling back or to somewhere where I have zoned out completely, where I don't.
Speaker A:There are parts of the trip that I don't remember the road, even though I very well should have.
Speaker A:And I know that I was in control of the vehicle because I arrived safely and there was no screaming.
Speaker B:You don't remember?
Speaker A:Let's just say.
Speaker A:Let's just say not, not from the people that weren't supposed to be screaming.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Okay, sorry.
Speaker A:But, you know, it's.
Speaker A:But I think, I think back to one particular.
Speaker A:We were coming back from a camping trip and we had to leave the camping trip really late at night because there was a.
Speaker A:There was a tornado warning where we were.
Speaker A:And this was before cell phones.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We just happened to have the radio on and the tornado warning and they named the valley that we were camping in.
Speaker A:So we very quickly packed up or that we were in the path of.
Speaker A:So we very quickly packed up our stuff and we got out.
Speaker A:We drove out of that valley and on the way home.
Speaker A:But it was very late at night.
Speaker A:And the thing that I remember in my head, I think being what put me into whatever state I was in, was looking in the rear view mirror at the tar lines, the repair lines on the road, and the light reflecting off of those and just continuing to look in the rear view to make sure that the guys, the friends that were following us, that they were still behind us, successfully staying close.
Speaker A:But I think back to those lines in the road and how it almost had a hypnotic effect.
Speaker A:And we got home and one of the things I definitely told my brother, I said, I do not remember the drive home.
Speaker A:I don't remember any point of it.
Speaker A:Can you tell me, did we re abducted by aliens or something?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:So that tells you can be hypnotized.
Speaker A:Oh, well, great.
Speaker C:But, but I.
Speaker C:I will say this.
Speaker C:Is that from.
Speaker C:From what I've been getting from you through our talk, I think that you would have to trust the person so deeply in order to give up the control.
Speaker C:So your conscious mind, it's not that you can't be hypnotized.
Speaker C:It's that you want to be in control and you would have to trust the person in order to give up that much control, to completely go under.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:And I think that's a good assessment.
Speaker B:So you think that's common, though?
Speaker B:I mean, because I can't imagine that most people just know a hypnotist and can be like, okay, you know, I've got some things I want to work through.
Speaker B:And here's this person who I trust implicitly who can help me work through them.
Speaker B:I feel like in most cases you're like, hey, I've got this, this trauma that I need to work through.
Speaker B:And here's this person who I've just met who now I somehow am going to trust with me and my mind.
Speaker B:And that feels like that would be a hard thing to overcome.
Speaker A:Is there at least a certificate on the wall that I can, I can, I can hang, I can hang on to that and be like, yeah, I know I was a joke.
Speaker A:Well, before we get.
Speaker A:Before we get too close to the end of this, I want to make sure that, that if anyone listening to this has any desire to potentially.
Speaker A:Are you taking new clients?
Speaker C:I am.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:How can people get a hold of you?
Speaker A:And I'll make sure to include it in the show notes, but how can people get a hold of you so that they can potentially approach you about being a client?
Speaker C:I have a Facebook page.
Speaker C:It's called three rays of Light and it's the number three.
Speaker C:And then I have a website as well that goes.
Speaker C:You can book straight from it.
Speaker C:You can find out all information.
Speaker C:Three rays of light dot org.
Speaker C:And again, that's a number three.
Speaker B:Okay, what's the significance of the three rays of light?
Speaker C:That goes back to my druid roots.
Speaker C:So there is a symbol called the awen, which I also use in my green wild stuff.
Speaker C:The awen is a symbol of three dots and three lines coming down.
Speaker C:And if you are describing that, you would describe it as three rays of light, of inspiration and that sort of thing.
Speaker C:And so I didn't want to call my business anything to do with Awan, so I named it three rays of Light.
Speaker C:As a description of the Owen.
Speaker A:Awyn, in my head, I wanted to say Arwen from Lord of the Rings and Eowyn because I have a.
Speaker A:Trying to think of the word.
Speaker A:I know an individual named Eowyn.
Speaker A:So that was what kept playing out in my head when I saw Owen.
Speaker A:So one of the things that on your fact sheet which you provided, which thank you, by the way, to have a guest provide a fact sheet is fantastic.
Speaker A:Talking to you, Bill Kimmeler.
Speaker A:So it said that you're on the.
Speaker A:You're on the board of directors for Interfaith Partners of South Carolina as the pagan faith representative.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:What is that experience like?
Speaker C:That experience was very scary at first.
Speaker C:And again, you know, making reference to how I grew up and how kind of hated anything of that nature was to have gone from that.
Speaker C:And my husband was going to divorce me because of who I was to now being the pagan faith representative for South Carolina and going around and meeting all these groups and sitting next to rabbis and nuns and pastors and all these different people and having an equal voice is incredible.
Speaker C:And it shows me that South Carolina is changing.
Speaker C:Maybe not as fast as we would like it to be, to be inclusive, but I'm extremely interfaith.
Speaker C:I think that everyone should have a right to practice and believe what they want as long as it is not harming other people.
Speaker C:So it's been an amazing experience and I.
Speaker C:And I love being part of that group.
Speaker A:You're also an educator teaching at the Green Wild Mystical Academy.
Speaker A:What is one of your favorite topics to teach and why?
Speaker C:One of my favorite ones is an energetic anatomy course where we're looking at.
Speaker C:At all the layers of your aura and all the energy chakras.
Speaker C:And just from various cultures, we look at this whole thing of what cultures believe in order for you to decide how to work with your own energy systems.
Speaker C:That's one of my favorite ones.
Speaker A:What is the age range on the people that are, I guess, the students?
Speaker C:We have a children's course.
Speaker C:It's called Walking a Pagan Path for Kids.
Speaker C:So we have kids, parents who join for their kids to do that all the way up to, I would say, maybe 80s.
Speaker C:So anywhere.
Speaker C:Anyone.
Speaker A:I will admit, I think that South Carolina, definitely South Carolina, the country as a whole.
Speaker A:I mean, I see the statistics that acknowledge that atheism is the growing.
Speaker A:And it's not really a religion, but it's the growing recognized religion in the country.
Speaker A:The country is tending to move away from this idea that you have to have some sort of an organizational structure in order to have a spirituality or to.
Speaker A:To have faith in the universe.
Speaker A:And it's interesting because I certainly have people in my life that are directly influential in trying to constantly push back the idea that an organized religion, whether it's Christianity or it's Hinduism or Buddhism, whatever, that you have to have that structure in order to have a whole life.
Speaker A:And paganism, it almost sounds like there is the value to it without the necessary structure.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to interpret it in a way that, again, I'm trying to make it make sense in my very analytical mind.
Speaker A:So, you know, like I said, the first thing that I thought of when you describe what paganism was, is that I was a boy Scout.
Speaker A:And one of the things that we did was with everything, every project, every camping trip, there was always an acknowledgment of being thankful for the fact that the land is there and that we have to treat it with the utmost respect in order to continue to be able to use it at the grace of nature, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's so pagan.
Speaker A:The Mormons are not gonna, The Mormons are not gonna like to hear that.
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker A:They're not, they're not into that nature thing, I think.
Speaker B:I bet they are though.
Speaker B:I think that nature is human above all else, you know, like.
Speaker B:Well, not above all nature's nature, but like everybody has some sort of connection to nature.
Speaker B:I mean, the vitamin D from the sun, the, you know, the feeling of the earth beneath your feet, like there's.
Speaker B:I don't think there's not.
Speaker B:I don't think it.
Speaker B:Regardless of religious, regardless of religion or anything else, like we're all connected to nature.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and this one's constantly telling me how desperate she is to get outside.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I mean, I hate this time of year.
Speaker B:I'm so ready for spring.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I'm not made for the winter.
Speaker C:I think that last year was the first year in America that there were under 50% of people in churches.
Speaker C:Like it was a big thing.
Speaker C:And that most people are marking spiritual but not religious.
Speaker C:SBNR I guess they're calling it.
Speaker A:And that is, that is a trend that is, that is happening across Western.
Speaker A:Yeah, Eastern Asia.
Speaker A:China is seeing a very significant increase in the number of people that don't actively participate in a religion.
Speaker A:It's crossing Europe with the same statistical acknowledgment that there are so many people that are leaving whatever their church is, whether, you know, because it's.
Speaker A:And you know, not to offend anyone, that is, of which, you know, that's not my typical.
Speaker A:I'm perfectly happy with offending people but acknowledging that there is a decline in what is considered intelligence.
Speaker A:And this is scientifically proven through reports and testing and things like that.
Speaker A:But people that attach themselves to a very strong faith based system that has one particular person in the sky that's, that is controlling everything around them.
Speaker A:That, that when they move themselves away from that attachment that they, they find, they, they find that those people participate in things or, or show an incline or, or a inclination to scientific studies and, and things that would lead you to believe that there is a more intell.
Speaker A:The scientific Method, questioning, using, thinking.
Speaker C:They're absolutely brainwashed because I was even as a child.
Speaker A:So I think moving away from this one God sort of situation is probably one that benefits.
Speaker A:And again, I don't want anyone to think that I have any judgments towards their faith.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:It purely my choice and I acknowledge that I don't have the ability to attach myself to that faith based system because I have too many questions that can't be answered with, with, with any facts.
Speaker A:There's no provable, there's nothing provable.
Speaker A:Do I believe that Jesus Christ existed?
Speaker A:I absolutely do.
Speaker A:Was he magical?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:Not in, not in the, you know, not in the pick any card, you know, sort of situation.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:He might have had a really great sleight of hand.
Speaker A:He could have.
Speaker A:He, he brought Lazarus back from the dead.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Well, I, I don't, I don't want to eat up too much of your time and we really, really do appreciate you coming on with us.
Speaker A:Again, everyone needs to check out.
Speaker A:If you're interested in becoming a client or you're interested in just looking into more of this, you can check out the three rays of light on Facebook.
Speaker A:I will make sure that there are links in the show notes so that you can check check those out.
Speaker A:Mela, is there anything else that you'd like to, you'd like to potentially discuss or use our platform for?
Speaker A:Because I am extremely intrigued and there's a possibility I may see if a client ship is one that might be available because I am interested in potentially.
Speaker A:Like I said, I've done transcendental meditation.
Speaker A:I've done other various types of meditation and I've, they've not ever had any ill effect.
Speaker A:I think that I've, I've only benefited from them.
Speaker A:But any, Is there anything that you'd like to tell our listeners before, before we sign off tonight?
Speaker C:Any hypnosis that you get, make sure you trust your hypnosis practitioner, whether it's me or someone else.
Speaker C:And know that hypnosis is about healing.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter if you're going to stop smoking or for anxiety or if you're doing a past life regression or trying to do mediumship through hypnosis to talk to your loved one and anything in between.
Speaker C:Everything you do is about healing and you don't even have to believe in anything that you're doing.
Speaker C:You don't have to believe there are past lives to get healing from a past life regression.
Speaker C:All you have to believe for hypnosis to Work is that your subconscious brain is powerful enough to heal you if you tap into it.
Speaker A:All right, that's fantastic.
Speaker A:Well, Mela, I really appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker A:And like I said.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I don't have them with me.
Speaker A:They are behind me.
Speaker A:So, Mela, maybe what I'll try and do is I'll try and connect with you another time, see if we can do it.
Speaker A:So we do a thing called seven questions.
Speaker A:And honestly, if I can think.
Speaker A:Think of them, then I will.
Speaker A:Okay, so I think I can think of a few of them.
Speaker A:So the first question is, what was the last thing you googled?
Speaker C:I'm not saying that.
Speaker C:What was the last.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was something on FetLife.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right, that.
Speaker A:No, that's close enough.
Speaker A:We're good with that.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Okay, so another.
Speaker A:Another one of the questions is if.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:We changed this one a little bit.
Speaker A:It used to be if your.
Speaker A:If your life were a movie, what would the title be?
Speaker A:But we changed it because a lot of people associate what, their potential bio.
Speaker A:Biopic of them with the opening song.
Speaker A:So if your.
Speaker A:If your life were a biopic, what would the opening song to that movie be?
Speaker C:Can I cuss?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there's.
Speaker C:There's a song by Chinchilla called Motherfucking diamond, and that's my song.
Speaker A:Say it one more time because it cut off on us.
Speaker C:It's a song by Chinchilla called Motherfucking Diamond.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Do you know that's my song?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:I'll have to.
Speaker A:I'll have to look it up.
Speaker A:I'll have to look it up.
Speaker A:All right, if you could have.
Speaker A:If you could have dinner with any three people, dead or alive, who would that be, and what are you eating?
Speaker B:I misunderstood that question for a second.
Speaker B:I thought you were.
Speaker A:You said, who are you eating?
Speaker B:Yep, 100%.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:Frida Kahlo, Einstein, and my uncle who died of AIDS in 96.
Speaker C:And I would eat Mediterranean every single time.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:So we're talking some cheeses and some fig.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:The fig leaves?
Speaker C:Stuffed grape leaves.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:Baba ganoush.
Speaker C:I don't care.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, all right, I'm with it.
Speaker A:I'd be there for that.
Speaker A:All right, let's see.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think of some of the other questions, and I think.
Speaker A:Oh, let's see.
Speaker A:What is your least favorite candy and why?
Speaker C:It would be this.
Speaker C:The cinnamon.
Speaker C:Any cinnamon candy?
Speaker C:Because I have a schnitz.
Speaker B:Cinnamon oh, gosh.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Even the scent of it.
Speaker C:I've been in the hospital for anaphylaxis because of the scent of it.
Speaker B:So, like, in the fall, you can't walk into basically any store, huh?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:It's awful.
Speaker C:The brooms and all that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I've been in the old parking lot on my knees, coughing my eyes out because I walked into the Aldi and went by the brooms.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:That would make me so sad.
Speaker B:Like, one of the happiest times of the year for me is cinnamon broomsies.
Speaker B:I have, like six of them in my house.
Speaker B:Like, they're everywhere.
Speaker B:I've got a little in the car, so I would be sure not to try and kill you.
Speaker A:I feel like I already know the answer to this question, but if you were to.
Speaker A:If you could only eat one thing for the rest of your life, what would that be?
Speaker C:Hummus.
Speaker A:Hummus.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I, I figured it was going to be something Mediterranean, so.
Speaker A:So a little smashed chickpea and, and some olive oil and whatnot.
Speaker C:That's got protein and everything else.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:That does sound good.
Speaker A:Was it, Was it.
Speaker A:Ron White said that told the joke.
Speaker A:He said, I wouldn't throw, I wouldn't throw a chickpea at a dog's ass.
Speaker A:I don't, I don't remember the context of the joke, but that's the punchline.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker A:That is all I remember.
Speaker A:Remember.
Speaker B:That's the important part.
Speaker A:I guess, sadly, that's almost all I ever remember is the punchline.
Speaker A:I will, I, I, I, I do this awkward thing sometimes in meetings where, where I will be the only one sitting on a call waiting for everyone to join.
Speaker A:And as soon as somebody joins, I will just say something absurd.
Speaker A:And that's when the rabbi punched him in the throat.
Speaker A:And then they get into the call and they're like, what?
Speaker A:And I said, oh, I was, I was telling a joke.
Speaker A:You missed.
Speaker A:All you heard was the punchline.
Speaker A:And there's no, there's no, There is no joke where the punchline is the rabbi punched the guy in the throat.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:There isn't.
Speaker A:That I know of, but I could.
Speaker A:Are you going to look it up?
Speaker A:She's going to look up to see if there is a.
Speaker A:If there's a joke that ends in the punchline is the rabbi punches the guy in the throat.
Speaker C:I bet that's your magic.
Speaker C:That right there is your magic.
Speaker A:I write jokes backwards.
Speaker C:You are creating an energy in all the groups you're in.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, that's Fair.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:Is there not?
Speaker B:These are really bad articles.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:They're depressing me.
Speaker A:We're gonna.
Speaker A:We're gonna move on.
Speaker A:We're gonna move on for the rabbi jokes then.
Speaker A:Well, Mel, I really want to appreciate.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I sincerely appreciate you coming on with us and spending this time with us, and I really do hope that you continue to have plenty of success and that maybe you get some more clients out of this.
Speaker A:I think that would be awesome too.
Speaker A:That would be great.
Speaker A:Do you mostly meet in the office or do you also have the availability for people that would potentially want to meet with you remotely?
Speaker C:I could do it virtual and I also right now meet twice a month at an office over in Irmo area.
Speaker A:Okay, perfect.
Speaker A:Well, Mel, I really appreciate you coming on with us, so I'm going to go ahead and wrap up the show, but if there's ever anything that we can do for you, please reach out and let me know and we'll certainly do that.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you very much.
Speaker B:Wait until the end to hit the mic.
Speaker A:She me did really good.
Speaker A:Usually when she's recording her podcast, it's this and this and this.
Speaker B:I talk with my hands and mine is my chair.
Speaker C:I'm always moving my chair.
Speaker B:And not to steal from Barrett's podcast, but I'm probably going to steal your contact information, reach out on a topic for mine.
Speaker C:Go for it.
Speaker A:I will pass.
Speaker A:I will pass that along very willingly.
Speaker A:So again, Pamela Mela Borowski, thank you very much.
Speaker A:She did it again.
Speaker A:Thank you very much for being on the show with us.
Speaker A:I sincerely appreciate it and again, hopefully I'll hope for all of the success and that everyone that you treat, you know, has.
Speaker A:Has all their success too, and that they.
Speaker A:They come out very well healed.
Speaker A:So thank you again.
Speaker A:That's going to do it for episode number 250.
Speaker A:Thank you very much, Mela, for being on.
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